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<p align="center"><font size="4"><b>The Mystery Bag (scroll down for more
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<p><b><span lang="en-us">The Norwegian Bunad</span></b></p>
information)</b></font></p>
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<img border="0" src="../../ETHNIC/mysterybaghints/FANCYBAG.JPG" width="402" height="432"></p>
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<a href="../../history/victorian/women/fashionplates/1870sgermanpeasants.jpg">
<p align="center">A couple of years ago I posted the following question: <b>&quot;Does anybody have a clue where this bag is from?&nbsp; I bought
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  it and have no idea whence it originates. It is about 7&quot; x 9&quot;,
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<p><i>I got this handy letter from a fan who wrote in this correction with
apparently of cotton, with metal beads, metal lace &amp; sequins.&nbsp; Please <a href="mailto:Tara@costumes.org">let me
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useful links:</i></p>
  know</a> if you can identify it.&nbsp;&quot;&nbsp;</b>&nbsp; I continue to receive
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<p>At <a href="file:///D:/My%20Documents/My%20Webs/Manifesto/history/100pages/timelinepages/1870s1.htm">http://www.costumes.org/pages/timelinepages/1870s1.htm</a>&nbsp;<br>
an amazing diversity of replies, so I'm I'm feeling
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the plate <a href="file:///D:/My%20Documents/My%20Webs/Manifesto/history/victorian/women/fashionplates/1870sgermanpeasants.jpg">http://www.costumes.org/history/victorian/women/fashionplates/1870sgermanpeasants.jpg</a>
far less like an idiot than I did when I first had to post the question.&nbsp;
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is described as German peasants. This is incorrect.</p>
I'm not sure who to believe (somewhere in the swath between Afghanistan and
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<p>Telemark (spelt TELLEMARK in the drawing) is a county in the south of<br>
Turkey sounds likely, on the other hand it also somewhat resembles a bunch of
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Norway. The woman's clothes is what we now generally refer to as<br>
supposedly Moroccan bags I bought from an ex hippy at a garage sale...)&nbsp; <b>I
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"Telemarksbunad", and still use for special occasions.&nbsp;<br>
continue to be interested in people's guesses, and would be delighted if anyone
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<br>
has pictures of a similar bag.&nbsp;</b> In all events, it is truly earning the name
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The plate is a typical painting of "exotic" rural Norway.<br>
&quot;The Mystery Bag&quot;.&nbsp;&nbsp;
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There is a bunad called Raudtr�yebunad which means red jacket bunad, which<br>
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has exactly the same red Spencer.<br>
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I don't know how much you know about this topic, but here is a short<br>
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explanation anyway (mind I'm not an expert on the topic, I only have 3<br>
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books about it :) ).<br>
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<br>
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You can look at pictures of Norwegian folk costumes at<br>
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<b>broken link&nbsp;</b><br>
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Almost every Norwegian woman has a bunad, often they are passed down from<br>
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mother to daughter or granddaughter as I inherited mine from my<br>
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grandmother, or when a child grows out of his or her bunad, or you can buy<br>
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material and make one, or buy one finished. They show what part of Norway<br>
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you identify yourself with.<br>
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<br>
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Bunads are divided into two categories:&nbsp;<br>
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<br>
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1: Bunads which have been in continuous use<br>
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2: Bunads reconstructed from old clothes.<br>
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<br>
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There are hundreds of different bunads, each valley or town has its own,<br>
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some in several varieties (colours).  The fashion of bunads started around<br>
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1900, when Norway was in a very national romantic time, just becoming a<br>
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country with its own king again etc. The interest for the old and rural was<br>
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strong, traditional dancing was in fashion, and they needed costumes, and<br>
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so, they went out and found suitable old clothes, changed them to fit the<br>
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fashion of the time, and the bunad was "invented".<br>
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<br>
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Regards, Anne Innes.<br>
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PS: I find the Manifesto most useful. DS.</p>
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<p><i>Thanks for the wonderful information!  Can I post it?  ---Tara<br>
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</i><br>
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Please do!&nbsp;<br>
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<br>
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Bunad is an old Norse word which simply means clothing.&nbsp;<br>
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<br>
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I did some quick surfing and found this link to someone's page, the<br>
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description is rather good and there are nice photos.<br>
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<b>broken link<br>
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</b>
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<br>
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If you are interested, I have some photos of my bunads (I have two).<br>
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<br>
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The first one is the one I inherited from my grandmother. I sort of<br>
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"outgrew" the bodice (liv) (originally the same material as the skirt<br>
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(stakk)) and made a new one in red brocade last year. The brocade is a copy<br>
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of an old Italian pattern. It is lined with linen, and fastened with<br>
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invisible hooks in the front. The skirt is wool. I wear a short shirt<br>
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(skjorte) of thin cotton, and a cotton underskirt.&nbsp;<br>
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<br>
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My bunad was made in the 1930s (I believe), and was given to my<br>
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grandmother, who was a doctor, with another bunad during the war, probably<br>
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by a patient in exchange for some services.&nbsp;<br>
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<br>
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The Gausdalsbunad is not exactly a historical copy. It is more a copy of a<br>
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general style from Gudbrandsdalen (Gausdal being a side valley to<br>
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Gudbrandsdalen), made in the same shape. Probably the first were made out<br>
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of ordinary fabrics for furniture. I guess Gausdal also wanted to have<br>
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their own bunad, and used the generic shape from Gudbrandsdalen and some<br>
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fabrics they "liked".&nbsp;<br>
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<br>
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This shape is from the 1830s. The skirt is sewn to the bodice for the first<br>
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time (separate bodices in the 1700s), and the waist is rather high, but<br>
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lower than empire.&nbsp;<br>
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Fore some reason my bunad did not have a purse.<br>
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<br>
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Photo at:&nbsp;<br>
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&nbsp;<a href="http://www.uio.no/~annei/photos/marianne_anne_bunad.jpg">http://www.uio.no/~annei/photos/syttende.jpg</a></p>
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<p>&nbsp;<a href="http://www.uio.no/~annei/photos/marianne_anne_bunad.jpg">http://www.uio.no/~annei/photos/marianne_anne_bunad.jpg<br>
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</a><br>
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As I feel no real connection with Gausdal, I made an Akerdrakt in empire<br>
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style (from Oslo) last year. You can read more about it on my homepage at<br>
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<a href="http://www.uio.no/~annei/myself.html#interests">http://www.uio.no/~annei/myself.html#interests</a><br>
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It's completely hand sewn. There is a long linen underdress (serk), a<br>
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woolen skirt (stakk) held up with woven bands over the shoulders. The<br>
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bodice (liv) is of wool, lined with linen. There is also a Spencer to go<br>
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with it, but I wasn't wearing it in the photos. The apron is block-printed<br>
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on cotton, after a Swedish pattern. The reconstruction is new. There is<br>
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also a men's version. It's a folk costume, not a bunad as such.<br>
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<br>
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Photos at:&nbsp;<br>
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<a href="http://www.uio.no/~annei/url/syttende/resultater.html">http://www.uio.no/~annei/url/syttende/resultater.html</a><br>
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<br>
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<br>
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Finally, I should explain that I'm not an educated costume designer. I make<br>
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things for live roleplaying. I make historical things from different books or ask friends to copy their<br>
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clothes, we have a wonderful community at the University and in Oslo. <br>
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<br>
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-anne.
 
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<p align="center"><b>See below to read some of the guesses people have made so
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<p>Another Bunad Link: <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/bunads/" ADD_DATE="967789025" LAST_VISIT="967789122" LAST_MODIFIED="967789007">Norske Bunader</A>
far:</b>
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<p align="center">hey there! I just visited your site and found out that u were wondering where these
 
handcraft are from. I was born in Burma and lived there all of my life. And I am 100% sure that , they are from
 
Burma. You might get these stuffs from Thailand coz most of handcraft are sent to
 
Thailand. Burma doesn't have any international business. So send to Thailand is the only way to
 
export,</p>
 
<p align="center">It looks like it is from Turkey.  That is my guess.</p>
 
<p align="center">Some bags here look similar: <a HREF="http://www.tribalmax.com" ADD_DATE="1005742964" LAST_VISIT="1005742986" LAST_MODIFIED="1005742944">Tribal
 
Bags at TribalMax</a></p>
 
<p align="center">My family has a bag that is similar....My great grandparents are from the
 
Isle of Rhodes with their parents from Turkey.  I believe it is from Turkey&nbsp;
 
with Persian roots!&nbsp; Hope this helps!  :)&nbsp;</p>
 
<p align="center">Morocco I expect.</p>
 
<p align="center"><br>
 
I believe that it was made by Afghani women.  The fuchsia color and the fringe lead me to think this.</p>
 
<p align="center">
 
  I am no expert. The bag you showed pictured on a web page resembles one I
 
  purchased from the Hmong Hilltribe people in northwest Thailand near the border with
 
  MyanMar (Burma). Both the tassels and the sequins are characteristic of that area (note
 
  the dull metal sequins on kalagas).&nbsp;</p>
 
<p align="center">Hi!  I am the &quot;no expert&quot; who first answered your mystery bag plea for ideas.  In fact I bought two bags from the Hmong people.
 
They are of recent origin, made to sell to tourists for 50 baht (about $2.00 at the time, I believe, maybe less).  I just got a digital
 
camera, and I also just stumbled onto your page again, seeing the subsequent opinions and your plea for pictures.  So, I draped the
 
two bags next to my antique and very valuable kalaga purchased on the same trip, and took some shots for you (see attachments).&nbsp;</p>
 
<p align="center"><a href="../mysterybaghints/MVC-005F.JPG">
 
<img border="2" src="../mysterybaghints/MVC-005F_small.JPG" alt="MVC-005F.JPG (38888 bytes)" width="133" height="100"></a>
 
<a href="../mysterybaghints/MVC-001F.JPG">
 
<img border="2" src="../mysterybaghints/MVC-001F_small.JPG" alt="MVC-001F.JPG (88391 bytes)" width="133" height="100"></a>
 
<a href="../mysterybaghints/MVC-007F.JPG">
 
<img border="2" src="../mysterybaghints/MVC-007F_small.JPG" alt="MVC-007F.JPG (56417 bytes)" width="133" height="100"></a>
 
<a href="../mysterybaghints/MVC-003F.JPG">
 
<img border="2" src="../mysterybaghints/MVC-003F_small.JPG" alt="MVC-003F.JPG (98674 bytes)" width="133" height="100"></a>&nbsp;</p>
 
<p align="center">Maybe a Kazak tent bag? It has some of the same characteristics and<br>
 
including the horned design.  There are also some kazak appliqu�d rugs that<br>
 
have similar designs.</p>
 
<p align="center">I would say that is about right if it is from Thailand. it kinda looks&nbsp;<br>
 
Tibetan though too</p>
 
<p align="center">I believe it is from India</p>
 
<p align="center">I would say Guatemala or Mexico.&nbsp;</p>
 
<p align="center">IT is from Burma probably from hills tribe and it was sent to Thailand</p>
 
<p align="center">I am from Turkey and your bag resembles Heybe which are traditional bags<br>
 
that are meant to hold the Kuran but are often used as household<br>
 
decoration or even as a fashion accessory today.  I have seen Heybe made<br>
 
of many different textiles...some are made of carpet, some of<br>
 
traditional Turkish killim or woven wool carpet, they can also be<br>
 
knitted or made of printed fabric.  It looks like it may also have some<br>
 
silver metal embellishment, which is characteristic of Turkish artworks.</p>
 
<p align="center">China.</p>
 
<p align="center">It looks Chinese to me but not the colors.<br>
 
Maybe from tribal peoples in one of the<br>
 
countries bordering China.</p>
 
<p align="center">I am sure this bag origins from somewhere in India, maybe
 
Poona because<br>
 
the colors and the style look a lot like out - don't you think so?</p>
 
<p align="center">Hi there. I am researching the history of the pocket for my design thesis in<br>
 
university now, and I have seen this pouch tradition started in the<br>
 
Palestine region, during the 500-1000 AD. they used to be called &#147;amonieres<br>
 
sarrasimoises,&#148; or Saracen almsbags. but today they are made all the time in<br>
 
Turkey for casual wear.</p>
 
<p align="center">This bag also resembles bags from Dalecarlia in Sweden, but they do not have
 
silver ribbons and pearls as far as I know. I think<br>
 
those bags were quite common in Europe during first part av the 19th century.</p>
 
<p align="center"><br>
 
I also am no expert, but have been interested in Middle Eastern costuming for 20 years.  It bears some resemblance to Baruch Afghani work, a
 
nomadic tribe that resides in southwest Afghanistan on the edge of the Dasht-i-Margo (Desert of Death).  The embroidery is pretty typical of
 
Middle Eastern patterns that I've seen, from Palestine to Afghanistan.  What makes me think that it is Afghani is that it appears to be made of a
 
once-larger piece of embroidered silk (often from an old bodice cut out from a treasured dress that could no longer be repaired) with tassels
 
added for decoration.  The tassels are the most strongly Afghani thing about it.  I have a fan from Afghanistan which is cut in a semi-circular<br>
 
piece from a once-larger garment (see comment above) whose handle is a straight carved piece of wood, which has tassels (very similar to the
 
ones on your bag) all along the semi-circular edge.  Little items like a bag or fan or what-have-you are often made from dresses that can no
 
longer be repaired, or whose bodice embroidery starts looking pretty ratty, but the rest of the dress can still be put to good use.  Little things
 
like that can travel, being traded hand to hand, from Turkey to Pakistan.  I think that accounts for the wide similarity of embroidery patterns
 
throughout the Middle East.  Like I said, I'm no expert, but that's my best guess.&nbsp;</p>
 
<p align="center">I'm guessing that it's oriental.  It could be either Indian or Thai.</p>
 
<p align="center">
 
I agree with the Asian/Middle Eastern origin - it is very reminiscent of<br>
 
items from Baluchistan, near where I grew up. That sort of embroidery and<br>
 
silver decoration is very common across the area, into Afghanistan and<br>
 
across even into Eastern Europe. I doubt you will ever find out where it<br>
 
really came from.</p>
 
<p align="center">I think it is &quot;Hencho en Mexico&quot;</p>
 
<p align="center">My husband deals in textiles from Afghanistan, and is
 
certain that it was made there.  We have some examples
 
of small Persian bags made to carry prayer stones that
 
we could send you pictures of if you are interested.&nbsp;
 
We share your fascination with ethnic textiles and
 
would love to correspond with you.  We recently<br>
 
purchased an Afghani nomad's dress from the mid 1800's
 
and would be very interested in what you may have to
 
say.</p>
 
<p align="center">The bag appears to be a classic Hmong (Thai hilltribe) purse, from the appearance, dimensions, the apparent &quot;dok&quot; weave, and
 
even the sequins and tassels.  However, for it to be made of cotton, if it is Hmong, would be unusual.  Perhaps it is a coarse silk
 
or some type of flax (linen).</p>
 
<p align="center">I also got this bag <a href="../../tara/portfolio/portfolioscans2/bag2.jpg">
 
<img border="2" src="../../tara/portfolio/portfolioscans2/bag2_small.jpg" alt="bag2.jpg (228957 bytes)" width="156" height="125"></a>
 
from the same garage sale, and have no idea where it originates either.</p>
 
 
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The Norwegian Bunad

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I got this handy letter from a fan who wrote in this correction with useful links:

At <a href="file:///D:/My%20Documents/My%20Webs/Manifesto/history/100pages/timelinepages/1870s1.htm">http://www.costumes.org/pages/timelinepages/1870s1.htm</a> 
the plate <a href="file:///D:/My%20Documents/My%20Webs/Manifesto/history/victorian/women/fashionplates/1870sgermanpeasants.jpg">1870sgermanpeasants.jpg</a> is described as German peasants. This is incorrect.

Telemark (spelt TELLEMARK in the drawing) is a county in the south of
Norway. The woman's clothes is what we now generally refer to as
"Telemarksbunad", and still use for special occasions. 

The plate is a typical painting of "exotic" rural Norway.
There is a bunad called Raudtr�yebunad which means red jacket bunad, which
has exactly the same red Spencer.

I don't know how much you know about this topic, but here is a short
explanation anyway (mind I'm not an expert on the topic, I only have 3
books about it :) ).

You can look at pictures of Norwegian folk costumes at
broken link 

Almost every Norwegian woman has a bunad, often they are passed down from
mother to daughter or granddaughter as I inherited mine from my
grandmother, or when a child grows out of his or her bunad, or you can buy
material and make one, or buy one finished. They show what part of Norway
you identify yourself with.

Bunads are divided into two categories: 

1: Bunads which have been in continuous use
2: Bunads reconstructed from old clothes.

There are hundreds of different bunads, each valley or town has its own,
some in several varieties (colours). The fashion of bunads started around
1900, when Norway was in a very national romantic time, just becoming a
country with its own king again etc. The interest for the old and rural was
strong, traditional dancing was in fashion, and they needed costumes, and
so, they went out and found suitable old clothes, changed them to fit the
fashion of the time, and the bunad was "invented".

Regards, Anne Innes.
PS: I find the Manifesto most useful. DS.

Thanks for the wonderful information! Can I post it? ---Tara

Please do! 

Bunad is an old Norse word which simply means clothing. 

I did some quick surfing and found this link to someone's page, the
description is rather good and there are nice photos.
broken link

If you are interested, I have some photos of my bunads (I have two).

The first one is the one I inherited from my grandmother. I sort of
"outgrew" the bodice (liv) (originally the same material as the skirt
(stakk)) and made a new one in red brocade last year. The brocade is a copy
of an old Italian pattern. It is lined with linen, and fastened with
invisible hooks in the front. The skirt is wool. I wear a short shirt
(skjorte) of thin cotton, and a cotton underskirt. 

My bunad was made in the 1930s (I believe), and was given to my
grandmother, who was a doctor, with another bunad during the war, probably
by a patient in exchange for some services. 

The Gausdalsbunad is not exactly a historical copy. It is more a copy of a
general style from Gudbrandsdalen (Gausdal being a side valley to
Gudbrandsdalen), made in the same shape. Probably the first were made out
of ordinary fabrics for furniture. I guess Gausdal also wanted to have
their own bunad, and used the generic shape from Gudbrandsdalen and some
fabrics they "liked". 

This shape is from the 1830s. The skirt is sewn to the bodice for the first
time (separate bodices in the 1700s), and the waist is rather high, but
lower than empire. 
Fore some reason my bunad did not have a purse.

Photo at: 
 <a href="marianne_anne_bunad.jpg">syttende.jpg</a>

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As I feel no real connection with Gausdal, I made an Akerdrakt in empire
style (from Oslo) last year. You can read more about it on my homepage at
<a href="http://www.uio.no/~annei/myself.html#interests">http://www.uio.no/~annei/myself.html#interests</a>
It's completely hand sewn. There is a long linen underdress (serk), a
woolen skirt (stakk) held up with woven bands over the shoulders. The
bodice (liv) is of wool, lined with linen. There is also a Spencer to go
with it, but I wasn't wearing it in the photos. The apron is block-printed
on cotton, after a Swedish pattern. The reconstruction is new. There is
also a men's version. It's a folk costume, not a bunad as such.

Photos at: 
<a href="http://www.uio.no/~annei/url/syttende/resultater.html">http://www.uio.no/~annei/url/syttende/resultater.html</a>


Finally, I should explain that I'm not an educated costume designer. I make
things for live roleplaying. I make historical things from different books or ask friends to copy their
clothes, we have a wonderful community at the University and in Oslo.

-anne.

Another Bunad Link: <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/bunads/" ADD_DATE="967789025" LAST_VISIT="967789122" LAST_MODIFIED="967789007">Norske Bunader</A>

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